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Joining him on the show was Olga Deutch, vice president of NGO Monitor, who took this idea one step further. She said that while the military threat against Israel is real, it is not existential—Israel can win the war on the battlefield.

“We have a strong army and strong, resilient people who continue to be willing to go out and defend their homeland,” Deutch explained. What poses an existential threat, she argued, is the world’s shifting perception of Israel. This includes not only the BDS (Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions) movement, but also parliamentary resolutions against Israel, decisions by some countries to withhold military aid, the potential prosecution of Israeli leaders in international courts, and whether investors choose to put their money into Israel.

“One of the most horrific battlefields for Israel that is least discussed is the Environmental, Social and Governance standards,” Deutch said. “You cannot even measure how many investments never took place, and all of this is done as part of the political war that is being waged against Israel and the Jewish people.”